Network · data from 2026-11-12
AS54804 CableSouth Media III
Registry name: CSMIII-BUNKIELA - CableSouth Media III LLC, US · PeeringDB
81IPv4 routes
76.5% RPKI valid · 30.9% with a route object
1IPv6 routes
100.0% RPKI valid · 0.0% with a route object
0RPKI invalid
0 origin · 0 maxLength
19No ROA
57 with no route object for this origin
0Low visibility
seen by under 10% of full-table peers
6Route objects not announced
registered with origin AS54804, seen from no peer
Announced routes
Every prefix a peer of the route collectors sees with origin AS54804, things to look at first. Visibility = full-table peers that see it, of 673 (IPv4) and 636 (IPv6) on 75 collectors. Also as routes.csv.
| 64.89.128.0/23 | No ROA | Nonecovered by 64.89.128.0/20 | 671 100% |
| 64.89.130.0/24 | No ROA | Nonecovered by 64.89.128.0/20 | 671 100% |
| 64.89.136.0/23 | No ROA | Nonecovered by 64.89.128.0/20 | 671 100% |
| 64.89.138.0/24 | No ROA | Nonecovered by 64.89.128.0/20 | 671 100% |
| 192.184.98.0/24 | No ROA | Nonecovered by 192.184.96.0/20 | 671 100% |
| 192.184.101.0/24 | No ROA | Nonecovered by 192.184.96.0/20 | 671 100% |
| 192.184.105.0/24 | No ROA | Nonecovered by 192.184.96.0/20 | 671 100% |
| 192.184.110.0/24 | No ROA | Nonecovered by 192.184.96.0/20 | 671 100% |
| 192.184.96.0/20 | No ROA | Other IRR onlyRADB | 670 100% |
| 64.89.131.0/24 | No ROA | RIR databaseARIN | 671 100% |
| 192.184.99.0/24 | No ROA | RIR databaseARIN | 671 100% |
| 192.184.102.0/24 | No ROA | RIR databaseARIN | 671 100% |
| 192.184.103.0/24 | No ROA | RIR databaseARIN | 671 100% |
| 192.184.106.0/24 | No ROA | RIR databaseARIN | 671 100% |
| 192.184.107.0/24 | No ROA | RIR databaseARIN | 671 100% |
| 192.184.108.0/24 | No ROA | RIR databaseARIN | 671 100% |
| 192.184.109.0/24 | No ROA | RIR databaseARIN | 671 100% |
| 192.184.111.0/24 | No ROA | RIR databaseARIN | 671 100% |
| 64.89.128.0/20 | No ROA | RIR databaseARIN | 670 100% |
| 169.238.96.0/22 | Valid | Nonecovered by 169.238.0.0/16 | 673 100% |
| 169.238.144.0/21 | Valid | Nonecovered by 169.238.0.0/16 | 673 100% |
| 67.222.80.0/23 | Valid | Nonecovered by 67.222.80.0/20 | 671 100% |
| 67.222.88.0/22 | Valid | Nonecovered by 67.222.80.0/20 | 671 100% |
| 104.219.165.0/24 | Valid | Nonecovered by 104.219.164.0/23 | 671 100% |
| 159.48.84.0/22 | Valid | Nonecovered by 159.48.64.0/19 | 671 100% |
| 159.48.88.0/22 | Valid | Nonecovered by 159.48.64.0/19 | 671 100% |
| 159.48.92.0/23 | Valid | Nonecovered by 159.48.64.0/19 | 671 100% |
| 162.212.124.0/24 | Valid | Nonecovered by 162.212.124.0/22 | 671 100% |
| 162.212.126.0/23 | Valid | Nonecovered by 162.212.124.0/22 | 671 100% |
| 162.212.126.0/24 | Valid | Nonecovered by 162.212.124.0/22 | 671 100% |
| 162.212.127.0/24 | Valid | Nonecovered by 162.212.124.0/22 | 671 100% |
| 169.238.8.0/22 | Valid | Nonecovered by 169.238.0.0/16 | 671 100% |
| 169.238.12.0/22 | Valid | Nonecovered by 169.238.0.0/16 | 671 100% |
| 169.238.24.0/22 | Valid | Nonecovered by 169.238.0.0/16 | 671 100% |
| 169.238.28.0/22 | Valid | Nonecovered by 169.238.0.0/16 | 671 100% |
| 169.238.36.0/23 | Valid | Nonecovered by 169.238.0.0/16 | 671 100% |
| 169.238.38.0/23 | Valid | Nonecovered by 169.238.0.0/16 | 671 100% |
| 169.238.44.0/24 | Valid | Nonecovered by 169.238.0.0/16 | 671 100% |
| 169.238.56.0/22 | Valid | Nonecovered by 169.238.0.0/16 | 671 100% |
| 169.238.84.0/22 | Valid | Nonecovered by 169.238.0.0/16 | 671 100% |
| 169.238.112.0/22 | Valid | Nonecovered by 169.238.0.0/16 | 671 100% |
| 192.119.4.0/23 | Valid | Nonecovered by 192.119.4.0/22 | 671 100% |
| 206.251.38.0/24 | Valid | Nonecovered by 206.251.36.0/22 | 671 100% |
| 67.222.84.0/22 | Valid | Nonecovered by 67.222.80.0/20 | 670 100% |
| 67.222.92.0/24 | Valid | Nonecovered by 67.222.80.0/20 | 670 100% |
| 68.179.240.0/21 | Valid | Nonecovered by 68.179.240.0/20 | 670 100% |
| 68.179.248.0/21 | Valid | Nonecovered by 68.179.240.0/20 | 670 100% |
| 104.219.164.0/22 | Valid | None | 670 100% |
| 169.238.4.0/22 | Valid | Nonecovered by 169.238.0.0/16 | 670 100% |
| 169.238.16.0/22 | Valid | Nonecovered by 169.238.0.0/16 | 670 100% |
| 169.238.20.0/22 | Valid | Nonecovered by 169.238.0.0/16 | 670 100% |
| 169.238.40.0/22 | Valid | Nonecovered by 169.238.0.0/16 | 670 100% |
| 169.238.64.0/22 | Valid | Nonecovered by 169.238.0.0/16 | 670 100% |
| 169.238.68.0/22 | Valid | Nonecovered by 169.238.0.0/16 | 670 100% |
| 169.238.72.0/22 | Valid | Nonecovered by 169.238.0.0/16 | 670 100% |
| 169.238.76.0/22 | Valid | Nonecovered by 169.238.0.0/16 | 670 100% |
| 169.238.88.0/22 | Valid | Nonecovered by 169.238.0.0/16 | 670 100% |
| 169.238.92.0/22 | Valid | Nonecovered by 169.238.0.0/16 | 670 100% |
| 169.238.100.0/22 | Valid | Nonecovered by 169.238.0.0/16 | 670 100% |
| 169.238.108.0/22 | Valid | Nonecovered by 169.238.0.0/16 | 670 100% |
| 169.238.116.0/22 | Valid | Nonecovered by 169.238.0.0/16 | 670 100% |
| 169.238.128.0/24 | Valid | Nonecovered by 169.238.0.0/16 | 670 100% |
| 169.238.130.0/23 | Valid | Nonecovered by 169.238.0.0/16 | 670 100% |
| 169.238.132.0/22 | Valid | Nonecovered by 169.238.0.0/16 | 670 100% |
| 169.238.136.0/21 | Valid | Nonecovered by 169.238.0.0/16 | 670 100% |
| 192.119.6.0/24 | Valid | Nonecovered by 192.119.4.0/22 | 670 100% |
| 169.238.104.0/22 | Valid | Nonecovered by 169.238.0.0/16 | 669 99% |
| 2606:7c0::/32 | Valid | None | 605 95% |
| 104.219.166.0/23 | Valid | Other IRR onlyALTDB | 671 100% |
| 68.179.240.0/20 | Valid | Other IRR onlyRADB | 670 100% |
| 159.48.95.0/24 | Valid | RIR databaseARIN | 673 100% |
| 104.219.164.0/23 | Valid | RIR databaseARIN | 671 100% |
| 23.182.48.0/24 | Valid | RIR databaseARIN | 670 100% |
| 67.222.80.0/20 | Valid | RIR databaseARIN | 670 100% |
| 155.183.0.0/16 | Valid | RIR databaseARIN | 670 100% |
| 159.48.64.0/19 | Valid | RIR databaseARIN | 670 100% |
| 159.48.70.0/23 | Valid | RIR databaseARIN | 670 100% |
| 159.48.76.0/22 | Valid | RIR databaseARIN | 670 100% |
| 162.212.124.0/22 | Valid | RIR databaseARIN, RADB | 670 100% |
| 169.238.0.0/16 | Valid | RIR databaseARIN | 670 100% |
| 192.119.4.0/22 | Valid | RIR databaseARIN, RADB | 670 100% |
| 206.251.36.0/22 | Valid | RIR databaseARIN, RADB | 670 100% |
AS-SET
AS54804's PeeringDB record names no AS-SET.
Fix list
The changes that would bring RPKI, the IRR and what's announced into line. Some are deliberate (a route object kept for a backup route, say); the network decides. All 85 are in fix.csv.
- ROA: none19
- Route object: none57
- Route object: RIR3
- Route object: not announced6
| Change | Prefix or set | Detail |
|---|---|---|
| ROA: none | 64.89.128.0/23 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS54804, maxLength 23. |
| Route object: none | 64.89.128.0/23 | No route object for it. A route object for 64.89.128.0/20 with origin AS54804 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS54804 in the RIR database for the space. |
| ROA: none | 64.89.130.0/24 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS54804, maxLength 24. |
| Route object: none | 64.89.130.0/24 | No route object for it. A route object for 64.89.128.0/20 with origin AS54804 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS54804 in the RIR database for the space. |
| ROA: none | 64.89.136.0/23 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS54804, maxLength 23. |
| Route object: none | 64.89.136.0/23 | No route object for it. A route object for 64.89.128.0/20 with origin AS54804 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS54804 in the RIR database for the space. |
| ROA: none | 64.89.138.0/24 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS54804, maxLength 24. |
| Route object: none | 64.89.138.0/24 | No route object for it. A route object for 64.89.128.0/20 with origin AS54804 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS54804 in the RIR database for the space. |
| ROA: none | 192.184.98.0/24 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS54804, maxLength 24. |
| Route object: none | 192.184.98.0/24 | No route object for it. A route object for 192.184.96.0/20 with origin AS54804 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS54804 in the RIR database for the space. |
| ROA: none | 192.184.101.0/24 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS54804, maxLength 24. |
| Route object: none | 192.184.101.0/24 | No route object for it. A route object for 192.184.96.0/20 with origin AS54804 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS54804 in the RIR database for the space. |
| ROA: none | 192.184.105.0/24 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS54804, maxLength 24. |
| Route object: none | 192.184.105.0/24 | No route object for it. A route object for 192.184.96.0/20 with origin AS54804 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS54804 in the RIR database for the space. |
| ROA: none | 192.184.110.0/24 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS54804, maxLength 24. |
| Route object: none | 192.184.110.0/24 | No route object for it. A route object for 192.184.96.0/20 with origin AS54804 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS54804 in the RIR database for the space. |
| ROA: none | 192.184.96.0/20 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS54804, maxLength 20. |
| Route object: RIR | 192.184.96.0/20 | Route object only in RADB. Add it in the RIR database for the space. |
| ROA: none | 64.89.131.0/24 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS54804, maxLength 24. |
| ROA: none | 192.184.99.0/24 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS54804, maxLength 24. |
| ROA: none | 192.184.102.0/24 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS54804, maxLength 24. |
| ROA: none | 192.184.103.0/24 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS54804, maxLength 24. |
| ROA: none | 192.184.106.0/24 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS54804, maxLength 24. |
| ROA: none | 192.184.107.0/24 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS54804, maxLength 24. |
| ROA: none | 192.184.108.0/24 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS54804, maxLength 24. |
| ROA: none | 192.184.109.0/24 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS54804, maxLength 24. |
| ROA: none | 192.184.111.0/24 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS54804, maxLength 24. |
| ROA: none | 64.89.128.0/20 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS54804, maxLength 20. |
| Route object: none | 169.238.96.0/22 | No route object for it. A route object for 169.238.0.0/16 with origin AS54804 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS54804 in the RIR database for the space. |
| Route object: none | 169.238.144.0/21 | No route object for it. A route object for 169.238.0.0/16 with origin AS54804 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS54804 in the RIR database for the space. |
| Route object: none | 67.222.80.0/23 | No route object for it. A route object for 67.222.80.0/20 with origin AS54804 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS54804 in the RIR database for the space. |
| Route object: none | 67.222.88.0/22 | No route object for it. A route object for 67.222.80.0/20 with origin AS54804 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS54804 in the RIR database for the space. |
| Route object: none | 104.219.165.0/24 | No route object for it. A route object for 104.219.164.0/23 with origin AS54804 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS54804 in the RIR database for the space. |
| Route object: none | 159.48.84.0/22 | No route object for it. A route object for 159.48.64.0/19 with origin AS54804 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS54804 in the RIR database for the space. |
| Route object: none | 159.48.88.0/22 | No route object for it. A route object for 159.48.64.0/19 with origin AS54804 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS54804 in the RIR database for the space. |
| Route object: none | 159.48.92.0/23 | No route object for it. A route object for 159.48.64.0/19 with origin AS54804 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS54804 in the RIR database for the space. |
| Route object: none | 162.212.124.0/24 | No route object for it. A route object for 162.212.124.0/22 with origin AS54804 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS54804 in the RIR database for the space. |
| Route object: none | 162.212.126.0/23 | No route object for it. A route object for 162.212.124.0/22 with origin AS54804 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS54804 in the RIR database for the space. |
| Route object: none | 162.212.126.0/24 | No route object for it. A route object for 162.212.124.0/22 with origin AS54804 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS54804 in the RIR database for the space. |
| Route object: none | 162.212.127.0/24 | No route object for it. A route object for 162.212.124.0/22 with origin AS54804 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS54804 in the RIR database for the space. |
| Route object: none | 169.238.8.0/22 | No route object for it. A route object for 169.238.0.0/16 with origin AS54804 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS54804 in the RIR database for the space. |
| Route object: none | 169.238.12.0/22 | No route object for it. A route object for 169.238.0.0/16 with origin AS54804 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS54804 in the RIR database for the space. |
| Route object: none | 169.238.24.0/22 | No route object for it. A route object for 169.238.0.0/16 with origin AS54804 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS54804 in the RIR database for the space. |
| Route object: none | 169.238.28.0/22 | No route object for it. A route object for 169.238.0.0/16 with origin AS54804 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS54804 in the RIR database for the space. |
| Route object: none | 169.238.36.0/23 | No route object for it. A route object for 169.238.0.0/16 with origin AS54804 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS54804 in the RIR database for the space. |
| Route object: none | 169.238.38.0/23 | No route object for it. A route object for 169.238.0.0/16 with origin AS54804 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS54804 in the RIR database for the space. |
| Route object: none | 169.238.44.0/24 | No route object for it. A route object for 169.238.0.0/16 with origin AS54804 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS54804 in the RIR database for the space. |
| Route object: none | 169.238.56.0/22 | No route object for it. A route object for 169.238.0.0/16 with origin AS54804 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS54804 in the RIR database for the space. |
| Route object: none | 169.238.84.0/22 | No route object for it. A route object for 169.238.0.0/16 with origin AS54804 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS54804 in the RIR database for the space. |
| Route object: none | 169.238.112.0/22 | No route object for it. A route object for 169.238.0.0/16 with origin AS54804 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS54804 in the RIR database for the space. |
| Route object: none | 192.119.4.0/23 | No route object for it. A route object for 192.119.4.0/22 with origin AS54804 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS54804 in the RIR database for the space. |
| Route object: none | 206.251.38.0/24 | No route object for it. A route object for 206.251.36.0/22 with origin AS54804 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS54804 in the RIR database for the space. |
| Route object: none | 67.222.84.0/22 | No route object for it. A route object for 67.222.80.0/20 with origin AS54804 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS54804 in the RIR database for the space. |
| Route object: none | 67.222.92.0/24 | No route object for it. A route object for 67.222.80.0/20 with origin AS54804 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS54804 in the RIR database for the space. |
| Route object: none | 68.179.240.0/21 | No route object for it. A route object for 68.179.240.0/20 with origin AS54804 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS54804 in the RIR database for the space. |
| Route object: none | 68.179.248.0/21 | No route object for it. A route object for 68.179.240.0/20 with origin AS54804 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS54804 in the RIR database for the space. |
| Route object: none | 104.219.164.0/22 | No route object for it. Add a route object with origin AS54804 in the RIR database for the space. |
| Route object: none | 169.238.4.0/22 | No route object for it. A route object for 169.238.0.0/16 with origin AS54804 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS54804 in the RIR database for the space. |
| Route object: none | 169.238.16.0/22 | No route object for it. A route object for 169.238.0.0/16 with origin AS54804 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS54804 in the RIR database for the space. |
| Route object: none | 169.238.20.0/22 | No route object for it. A route object for 169.238.0.0/16 with origin AS54804 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS54804 in the RIR database for the space. |
| Route object: none | 169.238.40.0/22 | No route object for it. A route object for 169.238.0.0/16 with origin AS54804 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS54804 in the RIR database for the space. |
| Route object: none | 169.238.64.0/22 | No route object for it. A route object for 169.238.0.0/16 with origin AS54804 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS54804 in the RIR database for the space. |
| Route object: none | 169.238.68.0/22 | No route object for it. A route object for 169.238.0.0/16 with origin AS54804 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS54804 in the RIR database for the space. |
| Route object: none | 169.238.72.0/22 | No route object for it. A route object for 169.238.0.0/16 with origin AS54804 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS54804 in the RIR database for the space. |
| Route object: none | 169.238.76.0/22 | No route object for it. A route object for 169.238.0.0/16 with origin AS54804 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS54804 in the RIR database for the space. |
| Route object: none | 169.238.88.0/22 | No route object for it. A route object for 169.238.0.0/16 with origin AS54804 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS54804 in the RIR database for the space. |
| Route object: none | 169.238.92.0/22 | No route object for it. A route object for 169.238.0.0/16 with origin AS54804 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS54804 in the RIR database for the space. |
| Route object: none | 169.238.100.0/22 | No route object for it. A route object for 169.238.0.0/16 with origin AS54804 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS54804 in the RIR database for the space. |
| Route object: none | 169.238.108.0/22 | No route object for it. A route object for 169.238.0.0/16 with origin AS54804 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS54804 in the RIR database for the space. |
| Route object: none | 169.238.116.0/22 | No route object for it. A route object for 169.238.0.0/16 with origin AS54804 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS54804 in the RIR database for the space. |
| Route object: none | 169.238.128.0/24 | No route object for it. A route object for 169.238.0.0/16 with origin AS54804 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS54804 in the RIR database for the space. |
| Route object: none | 169.238.130.0/23 | No route object for it. A route object for 169.238.0.0/16 with origin AS54804 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS54804 in the RIR database for the space. |
| Route object: none | 169.238.132.0/22 | No route object for it. A route object for 169.238.0.0/16 with origin AS54804 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS54804 in the RIR database for the space. |
| Route object: none | 169.238.136.0/21 | No route object for it. A route object for 169.238.0.0/16 with origin AS54804 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS54804 in the RIR database for the space. |
| Route object: none | 192.119.6.0/24 | No route object for it. A route object for 192.119.4.0/22 with origin AS54804 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS54804 in the RIR database for the space. |
| Route object: none | 169.238.104.0/22 | No route object for it. A route object for 169.238.0.0/16 with origin AS54804 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS54804 in the RIR database for the space. |
| Route object: none | 2606:7c0::/32 | No route object for it. Add a route object with origin AS54804 in the RIR database for the space. |
| Route object: RIR | 104.219.166.0/23 | Route object only in ALTDB. Add it in the RIR database for the space. |
| Route object: RIR | 68.179.240.0/20 | Route object only in RADB. Add it in the RIR database for the space. |
Route objects not announced
Route objects with origin AS54804 whose prefix no peer sees AS54804 announce. Many are kept on purpose (backup routes, space announced only in some places).
| 23.169.48.0/24 | ARIN | Valid |
| 64.89.132.0/23 | ARIN | No ROA |
| 64.89.134.0/23 | ARIN | No ROA |
| 192.184.100.0/24 | ARIN | No ROA |
| 206.251.36.0/24 | ARIN | Valid |
| 2001:470:30b::/48 | ARIN | Valid |
Routes: the 08:00 UTC snapshots of 2026-11-12 from 75 RIPE RIS and RouteViews collectors. RPKI: our rpki-client run before the snapshot. IRR: the day's dumps of the five RIR databases and RADB's mirrors. The LEVEL3 and IDNIC databases publish no dump and aren't read, so route objects only there count as none.