Network · data from 2026-11-12
AS38107 CDNETWORKS-AS-KR-KR - CDNetworks
Registry name: CDNETWORKS-AS-KR-KR - CDNetworks, KR · not in PeeringDB
Announced routes
Every prefix a peer of the route collectors sees with origin AS38107, things to look at first. Visibility = full-table peers that see it, of 673 (IPv4) and 636 (IPv6) on 75 collectors. Also as routes.csv.
| 14.0.100.0/24 | No ROA | Nonecovered by 14.0.96.0/20 | 670 100% |
| 14.0.101.0/24 | No ROA | Nonecovered by 14.0.96.0/20 | 670 100% |
| 14.0.102.0/24 | No ROA | Nonecovered by 14.0.96.0/20 | 670 100% |
| 14.0.103.0/24 | No ROA | Nonecovered by 14.0.96.0/20 | 670 100% |
| 14.0.111.0/24 | No ROA | Nonecovered by 14.0.96.0/20 | 670 100% |
| 61.110.225.0/24 | No ROA | Other origin onlycovered by 61.110.224.0/21 | 668 99% |
| 61.110.229.0/24 | No ROA | Other origin onlycovered by 61.110.228.0/23 | 668 99% |
| 61.110.245.0/24 | No ROA | Other origin onlycovered by 61.110.240.0/20 | 668 99% |
| 61.110.246.0/24 | No ROA | Other origin onlycovered by 61.110.240.0/20 | 668 99% |
| 61.110.248.0/24 | No ROA | Other origin onlycovered by 61.110.240.0/20 | 668 99% |
| 61.110.249.0/24 | No ROA | Other origin onlycovered by 61.110.240.0/20 | 668 99% |
| 61.110.251.0/24 | No ROA | Other origin onlycovered by 61.110.240.0/20 | 668 99% |
| 61.110.252.0/24 | No ROA | Other origin onlycovered by 61.110.240.0/20 | 668 99% |
| 61.110.253.0/24 | No ROA | Other origin onlycovered by 61.110.240.0/20 | 668 99% |
| 61.110.254.0/24 | No ROA | Other origin onlycovered by 61.110.240.0/20 | 668 99% |
| 101.79.227.0/24 | No ROA | Other origin onlycovered by 101.79.224.0/20 | 668 99% |
| 101.79.229.0/24 | No ROA | Other origin onlycovered by 101.79.224.0/20 | 668 99% |
| 116.193.84.0/24 | No ROA | Other origin onlycovered by 116.193.80.0/21 | 668 99% |
| 121.78.64.0/24 | No ROA | Other origin onlycovered by 121.78.64.0/23 | 668 99% |
| 14.0.72.0/24 | No ROA | Other origin onlycovered by 14.0.64.0/20 | 666 99% |
| 14.0.73.0/24 | No ROA | Other origin onlycovered by 14.0.64.0/20 | 666 99% |
| 14.0.74.0/24 | No ROA | Other origin onlycovered by 14.0.64.0/20 | 666 99% |
| 14.0.82.0/24 | No ROA | Other origin onlycovered by 14.0.80.0/21 | 666 99% |
| 14.0.84.0/24 | No ROA | Other origin onlycovered by 14.0.80.0/21 | 666 99% |
| 14.0.99.0/24 | No ROA | Other origin onlycovered by 14.0.96.0/20 | 666 99% |
| 61.110.208.0/21 | No ROA | Other IRR onlyRADB | 670 100% |
| 61.110.224.0/21 | No ROA | Other IRR onlyRADB | 670 100% |
| 61.110.232.0/21 | No ROA | Other IRR onlyRADB | 670 100% |
| 114.111.48.0/21 | No ROA | Other IRR onlyRADB | 670 100% |
| 116.193.88.0/21 | No ROA | Other IRR onlyRADB | 670 100% |
| 118.107.160.0/21 | No ROA | Other IRR onlyRADB | 670 100% |
| 14.0.64.0/20 | No ROA | Other IRR onlyRADB | 669 99% |
| 14.0.80.0/21 | No ROA | Other IRR onlyRADB | 669 99% |
| 14.0.88.0/21 | No ROA | Other IRR onlyRADB | 669 99% |
| 101.79.230.0/24 | No ROA | Other IRR onlyRADB | 668 99% |
| 101.79.231.0/24 | No ROA | Other IRR onlyRADB | 668 99% |
| 101.79.239.0/24 | No ROA | Other IRR onlyRADB | 668 99% |
| 103.110.27.0/24 | No ROA | Other IRR onlyRADB | 668 99% |
| 103.218.7.0/24 | No ROA | Other IRR onlyRADB | 668 99% |
| 103.248.107.0/24 | No ROA | Other IRR onlyRADB | 668 99% |
| 114.111.59.0/24 | No ROA | Other IRR onlyRADB | 668 99% |
| 114.111.60.0/24 | No ROA | Other IRR onlyRADB | 668 99% |
| 114.111.62.0/24 | No ROA | Other IRR onlyRADB | 668 99% |
| 116.193.80.0/24 | No ROA | Other IRR onlyRADB | 668 99% |
| 118.107.174.0/24 | No ROA | Other IRR onlyRADB | 668 99% |
| 118.107.175.0/24 | No ROA | Other IRR onlyRADB | 668 99% |
| 211.43.157.0/24 | No ROA | Other IRR onlyRADB | 668 99% |
| 141.11.9.0/24 | Valid | RIR databaseRADB, RIPE | 668 99% |
AS-SET
AS38107 isn't in PeeringDB, where networks name their AS-SET.
Fix list
The changes that would bring RPKI, the IRR and what's announced into line. Some are deliberate (a route object kept for a backup route, say); the network decides. All 182 are in fix.csv.
- ROA: none47
- Route object: none25
- Route object: RIR22
- Route object: not announced88
| Change | Prefix or set | Detail |
|---|---|---|
| ROA: none | 14.0.100.0/24 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS38107, maxLength 24. |
| Route object: none | 14.0.100.0/24 | No route object for it. A route object for 14.0.96.0/20 with origin AS38107 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS38107 in the RIR database for the space. |
| ROA: none | 14.0.101.0/24 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS38107, maxLength 24. |
| Route object: none | 14.0.101.0/24 | No route object for it. A route object for 14.0.96.0/20 with origin AS38107 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS38107 in the RIR database for the space. |
| ROA: none | 14.0.102.0/24 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS38107, maxLength 24. |
| Route object: none | 14.0.102.0/24 | No route object for it. A route object for 14.0.96.0/20 with origin AS38107 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS38107 in the RIR database for the space. |
| ROA: none | 14.0.103.0/24 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS38107, maxLength 24. |
| Route object: none | 14.0.103.0/24 | No route object for it. A route object for 14.0.96.0/20 with origin AS38107 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS38107 in the RIR database for the space. |
| ROA: none | 14.0.111.0/24 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS38107, maxLength 24. |
| Route object: none | 14.0.111.0/24 | No route object for it. A route object for 14.0.96.0/20 with origin AS38107 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS38107 in the RIR database for the space. |
| ROA: none | 61.110.225.0/24 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS38107, maxLength 24. |
| Route object: none | 61.110.225.0/24 | Route objects for it name AS54994. A route object for 61.110.224.0/21 with origin AS38107 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS38107 in the RIR database for the space. |
| ROA: none | 61.110.229.0/24 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS38107, maxLength 24. |
| Route object: none | 61.110.229.0/24 | Route objects for it name AS54994. A route object for 61.110.228.0/23 with origin AS38107 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS38107 in the RIR database for the space. |
| ROA: none | 61.110.245.0/24 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS38107, maxLength 24. |
| Route object: none | 61.110.245.0/24 | Route objects for it name AS54994. A route object for 61.110.240.0/20 with origin AS38107 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS38107 in the RIR database for the space. |
| ROA: none | 61.110.246.0/24 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS38107, maxLength 24. |
| Route object: none | 61.110.246.0/24 | Route objects for it name AS54994. A route object for 61.110.240.0/20 with origin AS38107 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS38107 in the RIR database for the space. |
| ROA: none | 61.110.248.0/24 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS38107, maxLength 24. |
| Route object: none | 61.110.248.0/24 | Route objects for it name AS54994. A route object for 61.110.240.0/20 with origin AS38107 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS38107 in the RIR database for the space. |
| ROA: none | 61.110.249.0/24 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS38107, maxLength 24. |
| Route object: none | 61.110.249.0/24 | Route objects for it name AS54994. A route object for 61.110.240.0/20 with origin AS38107 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS38107 in the RIR database for the space. |
| ROA: none | 61.110.251.0/24 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS38107, maxLength 24. |
| Route object: none | 61.110.251.0/24 | Route objects for it name AS54994. A route object for 61.110.240.0/20 with origin AS38107 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS38107 in the RIR database for the space. |
| ROA: none | 61.110.252.0/24 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS38107, maxLength 24. |
| Route object: none | 61.110.252.0/24 | Route objects for it name AS54994. A route object for 61.110.240.0/20 with origin AS38107 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS38107 in the RIR database for the space. |
| ROA: none | 61.110.253.0/24 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS38107, maxLength 24. |
| Route object: none | 61.110.253.0/24 | Route objects for it name AS54994. A route object for 61.110.240.0/20 with origin AS38107 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS38107 in the RIR database for the space. |
| ROA: none | 61.110.254.0/24 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS38107, maxLength 24. |
| Route object: none | 61.110.254.0/24 | Route objects for it name AS54994. A route object for 61.110.240.0/20 with origin AS38107 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS38107 in the RIR database for the space. |
| ROA: none | 101.79.227.0/24 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS38107, maxLength 24. |
| Route object: none | 101.79.227.0/24 | Route objects for it name AS54994. A route object for 101.79.224.0/20 with origin AS38107 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS38107 in the RIR database for the space. |
| ROA: none | 101.79.229.0/24 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS38107, maxLength 24. |
| Route object: none | 101.79.229.0/24 | Route objects for it name AS54994. A route object for 101.79.224.0/20 with origin AS38107 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS38107 in the RIR database for the space. |
| ROA: none | 116.193.84.0/24 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS38107, maxLength 24. |
| Route object: none | 116.193.84.0/24 | Route objects for it name AS54994. A route object for 116.193.80.0/21 with origin AS38107 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS38107 in the RIR database for the space. |
| ROA: none | 121.78.64.0/24 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS38107, maxLength 24. |
| Route object: none | 121.78.64.0/24 | Route objects for it name AS54994. A route object for 121.78.64.0/23 with origin AS38107 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS38107 in the RIR database for the space. |
| ROA: none | 14.0.72.0/24 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS38107, maxLength 24. |
| Route object: none | 14.0.72.0/24 | Route objects for it name AS54994. A route object for 14.0.64.0/20 with origin AS38107 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS38107 in the RIR database for the space. |
| ROA: none | 14.0.73.0/24 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS38107, maxLength 24. |
| Route object: none | 14.0.73.0/24 | Route objects for it name AS54994. A route object for 14.0.64.0/20 with origin AS38107 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS38107 in the RIR database for the space. |
| ROA: none | 14.0.74.0/24 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS38107, maxLength 24. |
| Route object: none | 14.0.74.0/24 | Route objects for it name AS54994. A route object for 14.0.64.0/20 with origin AS38107 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS38107 in the RIR database for the space. |
| ROA: none | 14.0.82.0/24 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS38107, maxLength 24. |
| Route object: none | 14.0.82.0/24 | Route objects for it name AS54994. A route object for 14.0.80.0/21 with origin AS38107 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS38107 in the RIR database for the space. |
| ROA: none | 14.0.84.0/24 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS38107, maxLength 24. |
| Route object: none | 14.0.84.0/24 | Route objects for it name AS54994. A route object for 14.0.80.0/21 with origin AS38107 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS38107 in the RIR database for the space. |
| ROA: none | 14.0.99.0/24 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS38107, maxLength 24. |
| Route object: none | 14.0.99.0/24 | Route objects for it name AS54994. A route object for 14.0.96.0/20 with origin AS38107 covers it (filters allowing more-specifics accept it). Add a route object with origin AS38107 in the RIR database for the space. |
| ROA: none | 61.110.208.0/21 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS38107, maxLength 21. |
| Route object: RIR | 61.110.208.0/21 | Route object only in RADB. Add it in the RIR database for the space. |
| ROA: none | 61.110.224.0/21 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS38107, maxLength 21. |
| Route object: RIR | 61.110.224.0/21 | Route object only in RADB. Add it in the RIR database for the space. |
| ROA: none | 61.110.232.0/21 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS38107, maxLength 21. |
| Route object: RIR | 61.110.232.0/21 | Route object only in RADB. Add it in the RIR database for the space. |
| ROA: none | 114.111.48.0/21 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS38107, maxLength 21. |
| Route object: RIR | 114.111.48.0/21 | Route object only in RADB. Add it in the RIR database for the space. |
| ROA: none | 116.193.88.0/21 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS38107, maxLength 21. |
| Route object: RIR | 116.193.88.0/21 | Route object only in RADB. Add it in the RIR database for the space. |
| ROA: none | 118.107.160.0/21 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS38107, maxLength 21. |
| Route object: RIR | 118.107.160.0/21 | Route object only in RADB. Add it in the RIR database for the space. |
| ROA: none | 14.0.64.0/20 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS38107, maxLength 20. |
| Route object: RIR | 14.0.64.0/20 | Route object only in RADB. Add it in the RIR database for the space. |
| ROA: none | 14.0.80.0/21 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS38107, maxLength 21. |
| Route object: RIR | 14.0.80.0/21 | Route object only in RADB. Add it in the RIR database for the space. |
| ROA: none | 14.0.88.0/21 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS38107, maxLength 21. |
| Route object: RIR | 14.0.88.0/21 | Route object only in RADB. Add it in the RIR database for the space. |
| ROA: none | 101.79.230.0/24 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS38107, maxLength 24. |
| Route object: RIR | 101.79.230.0/24 | Route object only in RADB. Add it in the RIR database for the space. |
| ROA: none | 101.79.231.0/24 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS38107, maxLength 24. |
| Route object: RIR | 101.79.231.0/24 | Route object only in RADB. Add it in the RIR database for the space. |
| ROA: none | 101.79.239.0/24 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS38107, maxLength 24. |
| Route object: RIR | 101.79.239.0/24 | Route object only in RADB. Add it in the RIR database for the space. |
| ROA: none | 103.110.27.0/24 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS38107, maxLength 24. |
| Route object: RIR | 103.110.27.0/24 | Route object only in RADB. Add it in the RIR database for the space. |
| ROA: none | 103.218.7.0/24 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS38107, maxLength 24. |
| Route object: RIR | 103.218.7.0/24 | Route object only in RADB. Add it in the RIR database for the space. |
| ROA: none | 103.248.107.0/24 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS38107, maxLength 24. |
| Route object: RIR | 103.248.107.0/24 | Route object only in RADB. Add it in the RIR database for the space. |
| ROA: none | 114.111.59.0/24 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS38107, maxLength 24. |
| Route object: RIR | 114.111.59.0/24 | Route object only in RADB. Add it in the RIR database for the space. |
| ROA: none | 114.111.60.0/24 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS38107, maxLength 24. |
| Route object: RIR | 114.111.60.0/24 | Route object only in RADB. Add it in the RIR database for the space. |
| ROA: none | 114.111.62.0/24 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS38107, maxLength 24. |
| Route object: RIR | 114.111.62.0/24 | Route object only in RADB. Add it in the RIR database for the space. |
| ROA: none | 116.193.80.0/24 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS38107, maxLength 24. |
| Route object: RIR | 116.193.80.0/24 | Route object only in RADB. Add it in the RIR database for the space. |
| ROA: none | 118.107.174.0/24 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS38107, maxLength 24. |
| Route object: RIR | 118.107.174.0/24 | Route object only in RADB. Add it in the RIR database for the space. |
| ROA: none | 118.107.175.0/24 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS38107, maxLength 24. |
| Route object: RIR | 118.107.175.0/24 | Route object only in RADB. Add it in the RIR database for the space. |
| ROA: none | 211.43.157.0/24 | No ROA covers it. Add a ROA for AS38107, maxLength 24. |
| Route object: RIR | 211.43.157.0/24 | Route object only in RADB. Add it in the RIR database for the space. |
Route objects not announced
Route objects with origin AS38107 whose prefix no peer sees AS38107 announce. Many are kept on purpose (backup routes, space announced only in some places).
| 14.0.64.0/18 | RADB | No ROA |
| 14.0.64.0/19 | RADB | No ROA |
| 14.0.96.0/20 | RADB | No ROA |
| 14.0.112.0/24 | RADB | No ROA |
| 14.0.113.0/24 | RADB | No ROA |
| 14.0.114.0/24 | RADB | No ROA |
| 14.0.115.0/24 | RADB | No ROA |
| 14.0.116.0/24 | RADB | No ROA |
| 14.0.117.0/24 | RADB | No ROA |
| 14.0.118.0/24 | RADB | No ROA |
| 14.0.119.0/24 | RADB | No ROA |
| 14.0.120.0/24 | RADB | No ROA |
| 14.0.121.0/24 | RADB | No ROA |
| 61.110.192.0/18 | RADB | No ROA |
| 61.110.192.0/20 | RADB | No ROA |
| 61.110.224.0/20 | RADB | No ROA |
| 61.110.225.0/25 | RADB | No ROA |
| 61.110.228.0/23 | RADB | No ROA |
| 61.110.240.0/20 | RADB | No ROA |
| 101.79.157.0/24 | RADB | No ROA |
| 101.79.160.0/20 | RADB | No ROA |
| 101.79.163.0/24 | RADB | No ROA |
| 101.79.208.0/20 | RADB | No ROA |
| 101.79.224.0/20 | RADB | No ROA |
| 101.79.224.0/24 | RADB | No ROA |
| 101.79.225.0/24 | RADB | No ROA |
| 101.79.226.0/24 | RADB | No ROA |
| 101.79.228.0/24 | RADB | No ROA |
| 101.79.232.0/24 | RADB | No ROA |
| 101.79.233.0/24 | RADB | No ROA |
| 101.79.234.0/24 | RADB | No ROA |
| 101.79.235.0/24 | RADB | No ROA |
| 101.79.236.0/24 | RADB | No ROA |
| 101.79.238.0/24 | RADB | No ROA |
| 103.248.106.0/24 | RADB | No ROA |
| 114.111.48.0/20 | RADB | No ROA |
| 114.111.48.0/24 | RADB | No ROA |
| 114.111.49.0/24 | RADB | No ROA |
| 114.111.50.0/24 | RADB | No ROA |
| 114.111.51.0/24 | RADB | No ROA |
| 114.111.52.0/24 | RADB | No ROA |
| 114.111.53.0/24 | RADB | No ROA |
| 114.111.54.0/24 | RADB | No ROA |
| 114.111.55.0/24 | RADB | No ROA |
| 114.111.56.0/24 | RADB | No ROA |
| 114.111.57.0/24 | RADB | No ROA |
| 114.111.62.0/23 | RADB | No ROA |
| 114.111.63.0/24 | RADB | No ROA |
| 115.127.255.0/24 | RADB | No ROA |
| 116.193.80.0/20 | RADB | No ROA |
| 116.193.80.0/21 | RADB | No ROA |
| 116.193.83.0/25 | RADB | No ROA |
| 116.193.83.128/25 | RADB | No ROA |
| 118.107.168.0/24 | RADB | No ROA |
| 118.107.170.0/23 | RADB | No ROA |
| 118.107.170.0/24 | RADB | No ROA |
| 118.107.171.0/24 | RADB | No ROA |
| 118.107.172.0/23 | RADB | No ROA |
| 118.107.172.0/24 | RADB | No ROA |
| 118.107.173.0/24 | RADB | No ROA |
| 121.78.10.0/24 | RADB | No ROA |
| 121.78.64.0/23 | RADB | No ROA |
| 138.113.146.0/24 | RADB | No ROA |
| 138.113.204.0/24 | RADB | No ROA |
| 138.113.235.0/24 | RADB | No ROA |
| 163.171.72.0/22 | RADB | No ROA |
| 163.171.72.0/24 | RIPE | No ROA |
| 163.171.73.0/24 | RIPE | No ROA |
| 163.171.74.0/24 | RIPE | No ROA |
| 163.171.75.0/24 | RIPE | No ROA |
| 163.171.76.0/24 | RADB, RIPE | No ROA |
| 163.171.78.0/24 | RIPE | No ROA |
| 163.171.79.0/24 | RIPE | No ROA |
| 163.171.92.0/24 | RIPE | No ROA |
| 163.171.93.0/24 | RIPE | Invalid: origin |
| 163.171.95.0/24 | RADB, RIPE | No ROA |
| 163.171.107.0/24 | RADB, RIPE | No ROA |
| 163.171.110.0/24 | RIPE | Invalid: origin |
| 163.171.111.0/24 | RADB, RIPE | No ROA |
| 163.171.112.0/24 | RADB, RIPE | No ROA |
| 163.171.113.0/24 | RADB | No ROA |
| 163.171.114.0/24 | RADB | No ROA |
| 163.171.115.0/24 | RADB | No ROA |
| 163.171.116.0/24 | RADB | No ROA |
| 163.171.117.0/24 | RADB | No ROA |
| 163.171.118.0/24 | RADB | No ROA |
| 203.231.38.0/24 | RADB | No ROA |
| 203.231.39.0/24 | RADB | No ROA |
Routes: the 08:00 UTC snapshots of 2026-11-12 from 75 RIPE RIS and RouteViews collectors. RPKI: our rpki-client run before the snapshot. IRR: the day's dumps of the five RIR databases and RADB's mirrors. The LEVEL3 and IDNIC databases publish no dump and aren't read, so route objects only there count as none.